disembodied convo 1
Are you coming in?
Noo, reading Wittgenstein:(
For a tute tomorrow
Janis, have you seen my table
it was hanging out with feminists
Janis?
Ha
Sorry was busy
! Janis I don;t understand the concept of refrain
enlighten me
thats the bit i dont really get
so let's go through it together
so come in!\
I understand that D&G take the Heideggerian
understanding of This
as the surface structure
informed by technology
but not entirely sure how they get rid of metaphysics there
i dont think they di
*do
by replacing the world of
here is the refrain
Yeah, I read that
so they do sort of get rid of metaphysics
by replacing the material of the world as a picture with immaterial
but i dont i think they just embed it?
of a world as a resonant refrain
yesh precisely
soo
a rhizomic 'echo' of acknowledgeing and tolerating the amorphous relations betweeen things no?
which then tolerates hegemony with out promoting dialects
*dialectics
but this is too general
so thats where the surface table thing plays out
cos in that case
becoming -x
what i don't get is what van gough's ear has to do with it
refrain
rhythm
milieu are the same thing
and they are not
rhythm and milieu are born together from the chaosmos of the world
but they are not territory
the refrain represents territory
without demarcation
I get it!
do u?
so this sentence is crucial
The role of the Refrain is bothe territorial and improvisational
so it brings the reality forth (that's what they stole form Heidegger)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZDiaRZy0Ak
Maurice Ravel Bolero London Symphony Orchestra Valery Gergiev
설명 Maurice Ravel, Bolero for Orchestra London Symphony Orchestra Cond. Valery Gergiev
The following excerpt is from the chapter 1730: Becoming-Intense, Becoming-Animal, Becoming Imperceptible in A Thousand Plateaus followed by a video of a choreography created by Maurice Bejart for the Boléro: Bolero is the classic example, nearly a caricature, of a machinic assemblage that preserves a minimum of form in order to take it to the bursting point. Boulez speaks of proliferations of little motifs, accumulations of little notes that proceed kinematically and affectively, sweeping away a simple form by adding indi- cations of speed to it; this allows one to produce extremely complex dynamic relations on the basis of intrinsically simple formal relations.
yes yes, this all makes sense
i get the inflective shift in conceptualising from spatial to aural constructs - because essentially sound unfolds over time, is spatio-temporal, whilst ultimately being intangible and impossible to posses - perpetually pointing to the now in a way which doesn't demand owner ship or domination.
yes! all clear
so refrain
is very specific
ok so play it back to me
as a philosophical formation
it is not tantamount to rhythm
it rather marks the shift from spatial (physical, rooted, total, clearly demarcated)
to aural
pulsating vertically and horizontally
in a way I see it as a cognitive tool
that brings the meaning forth
yep
fractal
the meaning which is pulsating and fluid
In mathematics a fractal is an abstract object used to describe and simulate naturally occurring objects. Artificially created fractals commonly exhibit similar patterns at increasingly small scales.
Janis, you make me understand things
be sure to tell Johnny that tomorrow
Tues, 31 Oct at 11:00
You and Sonia will also be reminded 1 hour beforehand.
You created a plan.Change
haha, it needs to be mutual tho
sure
it is like a blowjob
im before you
no sheet
blow jobs before johnnie?
how will eliot feel about that?
we had a lunch date tonight
*this arbo
arvo
it was glorious
oh, nice, I haven't seen him for days
because
HE IS NOT MY BOYFRIEND
i found a nice pic tho
GIPHY
ps will u see bladerunner with me?
elena says no
mati says no
bethan says no
mia says maybe
but might be too daty
with her
eliot is broke
erm
i have gift card
sSTILL
sure, I willbe your replacement date
Eliot saw it already
he is not not broke
Janis
have u seen in?
no
would be super nice
I am going anyway this week, so lmk
nice pic?
y
u a have lovely bum
it's not my bu
m
KEYWORDS Deleuze and Guattari; Refrain; Rhythm; Territory; Lactation
This escalated quickly
u think?
mine are: GRASP/GRASPED HEAR/HEARD (REFRAIN) - SONOFICATION - TECHNE -
tell me about the difference between grasp/grasped
Janis
learning how to listen
still don't get the bit about the ear.
I don't get the grasp/grasped
simultaneity of grasping grasped
hearing heard
refrain
thats what a refrain is
now now
now then
rhythm of being and becoming
okay, cos it's both vertical and horizontal
a spatial
I think ear is an illustration of attunement
*aspatial
but its becoming sunflower?
the 'becoming van Gogh' is becoming the 'becoming sun-flower'
"it is the algorithmic encodings of the zeros and ones, torn from the usual binaric either/or casings, and cast instead as, onthe one hand, the rhizomatic Bodies without Organs, and on the other, the refrain. Wemight wish to call this fractal philosophy: an algorithmic hearing, a learning how to 'takenote'. Deleuze simply calls it 'the task of art.'Listen! Can you hear what is being written? It is the becoming-sunflower of Vincent's lostear"
exactly
is the lost ear about attunement
about becoming one another
oh yeahhhhhhhh cause he posted it
then it became a sunflower
becoming one another
ahhhhhhhhhhhhh
becoming sunflower
it is also a reference to schizophrenia
as a natural state of the world
how is the fact he posted it relevant
but not like bipolar
not 1,0
no no
multiplicity
mhmmm
I see it as transformation
violating the body demarcation
quantum(?) - like infinite states in same byte
psyche affecting body and body affecting psyche
like quantum
underwrite way of cohering how we are constituted as subjects of own knowledge
selfconsciously
yes yes
(from other reading faucault)
I know
so its a way of coming to terms with x
is what we are saying. aka it philsophy.
but consciously and non-dialectical method which tolerates relations by having groundless ground?
ethos of self-awareness prioritised over self-determination?
yes yes, where is the groundless ground from
cos I have it in my notes
and I didn;t write down the sourse
source*
Janis
fuck not sure
i think the big f
u know reading group one.
Lamentations on lactations: a guide to post-natal philosophy
Janis
no thats not been read by me yet
ps imma just copy and paste this whole chat into a webpage we can refer to
haha, it doesn't exist, was just playing with words
I also found an essay which says
that breastfeeding is a good illustration of becoming
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